i don’t care if you’re uncomfortable with women in programming or transfems in programming. not your place to tell us about it. keep it to yourself
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refer to andrew’s prescient message at the start of this thread
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Yes, that’s true. Everyone should take responsibility and defend themselves first. I just felt bad for a person that said “I feel this about that” getting what I see as a harsh treatment from the person I see as “One and only” Andrew Kelly whom I admire. I stepped in because I see the value and community standing behind him and I thought If I don’t defend a person that I see wrongly attacked, who will.
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you can start a new thread to defend yourself. please just leave.
edit: ah i tried to make another post and hit the post limit for today i didnt know existed. i don’t really think theres a way to un-derail this back to the original intended audience. is this an impossible thread to have on this website?
edit two in lieu of a final separate post: is there a way to send a notification to a admin about this thread? this has gotten really uncomfortable
did also want to say this thread has a lot of men trying to disrupt it & game their plausible deniability but also men not doing that despite existing in the same system of power that would enable them to if they so chose, and who are instead being gracious and helping, so i wanted to say thank you & also to what i presume is the majority of readers choosing to not insert themselves into this mess, thank you too
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They same way you are hurt by others expressing their feelings about you posts?
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I opened this Pandora’s Box starting
It drifted to
Native languages and living-area of Ziggit Users
and to this post
FYI - Just for interrupting ongoing fight
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Then please, do.
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Ah, alright. Well, sorry. I did not meant that my replies annoy or offend you. That was not my intention
You opened pandoras box by voicing your disrespectful opinion at the start of this thread, those other threads are not related at all to this shit show.
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Yes, I came here only because I saw Andrew demanding an apology from a person expressing their feelings. True, they could just ignore the post. I could just have ignored Andrew’s post, but I felt compelled telling him that I think his reply was a bit too harsh. That’s all I wanted.
Same. We wouldn’t be so frustrated, if just stating one specific thing about our personality wouldn’t nearly always end in discussions about that part of our personality.
And, mind, you were the one starting this discussion.
This isn’t a survey, just someone (“OK”), a woman (“GASP”) asking if there’s someone else like her.
EDIT: I reached my post allowance, so I’m hijacking my own post to add some answers.
All while criticizing others for their gender. You can work an your character to change. I did change my gender presentation, but I can’t work on myself to change my gender.
Now you should live what you preach, and stop feeling offended and flooding this thread.
As my mother once said:
“Oppression against trans people started, when they became visible.”
No, the oppression has always been there, it is just, that the oppression became visible once trans people started to fight against it.
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You should really inform yourself and empathize before voicing your opinion on such sensible topics.
19.3% of women have been victims of attempted (7.8%) or completed (11.5%) rape during their lifetime.
An estimated 1.7% of men have been victims of attempted or completed rape during their lifetime.
64% of transgender people have experienced sexual assault in their lifetime
(US link cause that’s what the English wikipedia has, but this applies world wide).
Sorry to contributing to the derailing of such an innocent topic, but I couldn’t let this equivalence fallacy fly.
Cis-male myself, but I happen to know a bunch of woman/trans I empathize with (do you know they make >50% of the population ? crazy right)
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Hey, white cis-male here. Just a few words to express support to women and trans members - please do socialize however you want. Also, I guess it is also fine by the vast majority of users not intervening in this thread.
The recent dicussions about AI related posts did emphatize the fact the ziggit is a community for humans. I find community building through sharing values and showing a bit of diversity very on par with that, and I love it. <3
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If we think about his first response, then I think that is wrong. Everyone is entitled and allowed to feel the way that they want. And if that offends me in any way, I’d first take a look at myself. What and why is that offending me. It’s just a feeling that someone had. I think if other feelings offend me, then something is wrong with me.
related, becuase from post to post it was more social then professional
I’m not hurt by others saying their feelings. That’s the thing. I value other people’s feelings. Feelings are individual and anyone has a right to feel what they feel
I like talking about feelings. I’m talking about feelings here and that people should value and acknowledge other people’s feelings.
So when someone expresses that they feel all trans people should die, it is the trans persons fault for being offended?
Thanks for finally making your opinion clear, instead of deflecting to “defending someone expressing their feelings”.
Because you’re privileged to not have a large group of people actively working to ruin your life.
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Let’s pedal it down a bit, but I understand the sentiment, being hidden is not nice for my personal case, is restrictive and tiring.
But I agree here @miagi you are missing the mark a bit. Andrew Stepped up because is quite antisocial focusing on our own feelings without thinking in the other. this has derailed because socially it seems is ok to comment on subgroups trying to interact but not ok to keep them out
Feels like this attached picture
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But that’s the truth though. They have the right to feel what they want. Every person on this planet is unique and has their own feelings. I’m not taking their right of feeling away, even if I have my own opinions about it. I don’t know that a person can feel that trans people should die. That concept is foreign to me. I’d say wish all trans people should die. But that’s a wish, that’s not a feeling. I do say wishes can be wrong.