Just a thought, but batway I can do it now if it is feasible and useful to build a lightning fast and completely secure blockchain, this could bridge the gap between non-public data storage Centralized as quickly as storing data on traditional databases.
I like Zig and let’s name this blockchain.
I am definitely no blockchain expert, but if it uses proof of work, then I think lightning fast is a bit of an oxymoron, more like burning hot and I don’t think the choice of programming language for the scaffolding around the core algorithms has a lot of influence over making an algorithm faster that is designed to be slow.
If you have an idea for an algorithm that can do that it would be interesting to hear, but it seems unlikely to me, personally I would guess that you maybe can create something that is maybe somewhere between 10x-100x slower.
I just don’t know how you would reach the capabilities of private centralized networks based on the physical limits of computation and communication/networking.
With something like a Gossip protocol - Wikipedia which is P2P instead of blockchain you probably would get a lot closer, but that only allows you to share stuff, you then would have to build other mechanisms on top of that, from what I have read a long while ago that is essentially what Hashgraph - Wikipedia does.
It seemed like an interesting algorithm, but it is patented and I don’t want to waste my time on stuff I can’t freely work on.
Naming a blockchain implementation “blockchain” seems counter productive to it being findable.
Overall I have to ask, are you serious, or are you meming/trolling?
If you are serious, then I think it would be helpful to get more concrete than, I have an idea and a name for it, the hard part is having something that is actually a novel way to approach a problem, basically having a different solution than what others have already discovered, that could come in the form of an algorithm, or reusing/finding an old algorithm and applying it in a new way.
I don’t think replacing some critical components that are likely written in C, with Zig will create enough value to make this implementation have a competitive advantage over others.
It still could be interesting as an project if you just have an interest in writing this in Zig.
But personally I don’t really want to write clones of anything, it also has to be something I find interesting and where I feel that there is at least some hope of me finding something new.
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I’m quite sure he meant “let’s name «this blockchain»” not “let’s name this «blockchain»”.
Zig would be a perfectly cromulent implementation language for a blockchain of some sort, but it doesn’t serve as a differentiating feature. To be successful, the chain would need to stand out in some way, and “in Zig” is not even relevant, let alone sufficient, for that to be the case.
As you allude to, there is an inherent tradeoff between high-throughput-low-latency, and even being a blockchain in a useful sense of the term. No one has found a place in the design space which achieves “fast” in that sense without compromising on what makes the technology a blockchain.
If someone breaks out of that local maximum, sure, write it in Zig, why not. But it’s a tough algorithmic design problem, it’s not “Zig is a fast systems language so we can write a fast blockchain in it”. No one has accused C++ of being slow, or Bitcoin (written in C++) of being fast.
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Ahh that makes more sense.
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Feel free and I’m curious what your ideas are?
I’m not trolling and I’m serious about brainstorm about this issue
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Yeah, that’s what I mean. I look forward to applying Zig to develop new points in blockchain technology
Alright, I’ll bite. Here’s what that means to me.
The language itself (although important) is not in my mind the most important factor. The most important factor is the design and how it permits resource usage, pools memory, and groups operations.
If you want the fastest something then it’s worth pointing out what you think makes other implementations slow. So I’ll toss the question back to you - @SaitamaCoder, is there something in particular about existing architectures that you believe can be improved upon? If so, how do you see Zig playing into this?
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Blockchain is a nebulous concept. With which blockchain are you comparing or competing (IPFS, BTC, …)? What Proof algorithm are you looking at (work, coverage, stake, identity, etc.)? What does fast mean? What usecase are you looking at? How are you going to assure people that this won’t be a ICO dump scheme?
Saying “lets make the world’s fastest blockchain” is like saying “let’s make the world’s fastest video game”. There is way more to it than just execution speed.
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A lot of people must have seen this YouTube video on the Dave’s Garage channel where benchmark code written in Zig managed to outperform hand-written assembly and everything else. The notion that you can achieve fantastical performance gain simply by using Zig is definitely floating around out there in the Internet. I don’t know if it’s a good thing or not.
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It all compiles down to assembly at the end of the day. I love Zig, but if I was determined to get certain assembly for some problem, it probably wouldn’t be a language issue. Actually most of the issues I have with not getting optimal assembly are because of LLVM, not Zig.
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Seems like a Legit Question, But most have answered that Bitcoin or C++ or Rust doesn’t contributes in the speed or using Zig. Everything comes down to the Features and Optimizations a Language can provide for that particular usecase. Most of the System Language like C, C++, and Zig use LLVM Backend. So everything comes down to the Compiler specific optimizations and the Developers Expertise in Reducing bottlenecks like contentions or Locks in Order to Squeeze last piece of Performance any language can offer. But where Zig wins and I myself have been working on a Layer 1 Blockchain called Zephyria Network, GitHub - 0xZephyria/Zeph-Dev: Zephyria Devnet Node Codebase - Proof of Concept, Many Breaking Changes are Expected · GitHub.
Is that in Zig the implementation speeds can be faster with Lesser writing for same functionality compared to C++, and the ReleaseFast Optimizations drastically increase the performance. In my experience of working on this project for past 8 or so months I realised this that many features are somewhat lacking in Zig which might have mage the work and performance much more easier. But as it’s still going changes It’s not good to judger very early.
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I think at this point it should be clear that the main use of blockchains is fraud.
If you are generally interested in decentralized systems and peer-to-peer systems, you will get a lot further with other protocols, some already mentioned in this thread. One I find particularly interesting is due to its relative simplicity is:
And I know some of the goblins people and one has been implementing OCapN in zig recently (incidentally, OCapN is also designed in part by Christine, one of the people behind ActivityPub)
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some changes since 2024
in future showcase follow AI Policy
oh , I just use AI to make my idea to easy to understand, bro. I don’t think we ban all text build by AI everywhen. Because AI will talk details and I just talk my idea
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Hi everyone. Thank you for following this topic since 2024. I’ve been working with Zig, and to be more precise, I’m working in areas like AI and blockchain…
Lately, I’ve been using OpenClaw for about six months now. I’ve noticed a concept called Trust-Ledger, which sounds like a cold wallet for storing tokens in the cryptocurrency field, but it has a completely different meaning in AI. I want to build a basic Zig framework based on the immutable pillars of Blockchain to accurately tune and control the input and output of AI, or more specifically, the variable parameters of agents and semantics.
What is the purpose? Because of the emergence and rapid development of AI, businesses and organizations want to adopt it, but it’s always unstable, and each model has a different way of being interpreted and understood. So what do we need to fix this?
We need a common rule to overcome all this chaos in AI. And I think we could design a Blockchain containing those rules within smart contracts and create a new architecture that better combines Trust Ledger and Blockchain.
I haven’t fully grasped the in-depth impact of this yet, but it would separate the AI rules and tokens from the model, keeping them out of the control of the companies or organizations hosting the existing AI model and integrating them with the Blockchain.
What do you think? Is choosing Zig to build such a Blockchain foolish, or is it suitable in some way? And how can we improve it further?